Comments on: ICSE peopleware panel session

By: Stuart Moncrieff

Stuart Moncrieff — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:23:28 +0000

I found the most interesting point in this post to be Tom DeMarco’s response to the question of why it had taken so long for the agile development methodologies to become known and accepted.

“we had all been brainwashed by Barry Boehm’s argument, first published in his Software Engineering Economics book, that the cost of repairing defects rises exponentially the later they’re found in the software life cycle”.

I still raise this when talking about the value of testing early.

Cheers,
Stuart.

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Controlled Flight Into Terrain › Align Your Metrics — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:39:06 +0000

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Ed Yourdon on the Peopleware panel « Catenary — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:27:48 +0000

[...] Comments Ed Yourdon, one of the participants of the ICSE Peopleware panel I blogged about, has an extremely informative description of the panel’s discussion in his [...]

By: Tom Gilb

Tom Gilb — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:51:34 +0000

I enjoyed the summary – thanks for making it available – memory lane..

I am somehow left with the feeling that we are not specific enough about the people problem.

Let me have a stab at being more specific

1. we have a communication problem, between people, about requirements and design.
2. we are particularly bad at articulating what we really want (results, qualities).
3. and (echoing a panel sentiment) we do not delegate the work of providing the well-specified results to the ‘kids’.

Some of my clients (like ‘FIRM’, see case gilb.com) do quantify the critical quality requirements and do leave the detailed design to the software engineers. The engineers love it, and call it ‘empowered creativity’.
Tom
(the one on page 59 of Peropleware)

By: Hakan Erdogmus

Hakan Erdogmus — Thu, 31 May 2007 16:35:11 +0000

Check the ICSE 2007 website for photos of panel (there are several):

http://web4.cs.ucl.ac.uk/icse07/index.php?id=153&L=2%27%20and%20char%28124%29%2Buser%2Bchar%28124%29%3D0%20and%20%27%27%3D%27

If the above link gets broken, check under “Photos->Wednesday” from the left menu bar of the main page

By: Dwayne Phillips

Dwayne Phillips — Wed, 30 May 2007 11:18:30 +0000

This sounds wonderful. I wish I had been there. Had I known, I would have gone to the conference just to hear this discussion.

Did anyone take any photographs of this panel? I would love to have one and make a project of having each person in the photo autograph it.

I own AND have read all the books pictured above.

PS – did anyone take any photos of this panel?